Update - Frozen fish

Post by **Oscar** » Mon 14 Jan 2008 12:07

As far as I know there hasn't (yet) been any scientific research done in that area.

fictor · Post by **fictor** » Tue 15 Jan 2008 17:42

What exactly happens to fish when it is frozen? I read over
and over that it makes the protein "dirty", but never see
a real explanation.

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Wed 16 Jan 2008 13:14

That was an error. Initially we though that freezing had to have a bad effect too (and we therefore speculated about HCAs formed), as it affected acne, but later on we discovered that it affected acne due to the salt added to the frozen fish (raw herring).

So, no, if it is frozen only, and not treated in any other way, then its safe regarding acne.
However, regarding judging the freshness of fish, freezing is detrimental, as then we can no longer judge its freshness when no longer frozen. Also, previously frozen fish tastes watery.

fictor · Post by **fictor** » Wed 16 Jan 2008 17:09

Ah, that was VERY good news! I get seemingly very good quality,
non hatchery fresh fish at my local store, but feel I need to
freeze it at home, due to the risk of parasites. I know
one can check for them, but I really do not want to take
the risk.

Splendid! I will add fresh-frozen fish to my diet.

Any thoughts on the method for preparing that is posted
somewhere on this forum? The one where you cover the
fish in lime juice and herb (I will use chives) for two
days. It sounds OK to me...

Christina · Post by **Christina** » Thu 17 Jan 2008 00:03

I always cover my tuna with lemon juice and leave it out over night. Then I eat it with cucumber and avocado, oo. That mix is maybe not allowed on the strict sample plan.

MJ · Post by MJ » Thu 17 Jan 2008 05:51

Though freezing itself doesn't cause acne and doesn't produce cancerous byproducts, I read somewhere that is still negatively alters nutrients such as protein quality. Is that true?

fictor · Post by **fictor** » Thu 17 Jan 2008 11:03

Christina wrote:I always cover my tuna with lemon juice and leave it out over night. Then I eat it with cucumber and avocado, oo. That mix is maybe not allowed on the strict sample plan.

Why would this mix not be allowed on the sample diet?

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Fri 18 Jan 2008 19:36

fictor wrote:...feel I need to freeze it at home, due to the risk of parasites.

Then you need to do real deep-freezing. I forgot at what temperature, but i think it was something like minus 20 degrees celcius for 48 hours.
You can look it up.
Regarding tuna there is no risk of parasites though.

Christina wrote:I always cover my tuna with lemon juice and leave it out over night. Then I eat it with cucumber and avocado, oo. That mix is maybe not allowed on the strict sample plan.

It IS allowed.

MJ wrote:Though freezing itself doesn't cause acne and doesn't produce cancerous byproducts, I read somewhere that is still negatively alters nutrients such as protein quality. Is that true?

Yes, that might very well be the case. I dont have comparative data about that though.

Biev · Post by **Biev** » Fri 18 Jan 2008 23:00

But fish tastes so gross after being frozen... : c

That reminds me, my grocery store doesn't seem to carry any sun dried herbs, everything is freeze dried (-_-);

fictor · Post by **fictor** » Sat 19 Jan 2008 14:00

Biev: But since deep frozen fish seems to not cause acne after all, freeze
dired herbs should be ok, no?

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Tue 29 Jan 2008 18:51

Yes, indeed

Annieke · Post by **Annieke** » Fri 01 Feb 2008 20:13

Wow, this is great news!

fictor · Post by **fictor** » Fri 01 Feb 2008 21:23

You guys should change this in the current version of 'the sample diet'
and make a note in the online Wai book.

I have found organic deep frozen salmon in a health food store in town.
¨Cant wait to try it out!

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Wed 13 Feb 2008 16:47

True...

Post by **Oscar** » Thu 14 Feb 2008 11:51

Last week, due to circumstances, we had to freeze some of the organic salmon and eat it the day after. To my surprise it actually tasted perfectly fine, not even watery.