How much animal protein is too much?
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How much animal protein is too much?
I upped my intake of animal protein to 150 - 200 grams per day (with good results). It´s often heard that too much protein is harmful for our bodies. From my feeling I would say that high protein intake is perfect! Of course, all animal food is raw. I generally don´t count protein from plant food because it is very inferior, IMO.
RRM and all others, what do you think of such a high protein intake? Are there any proofs that it could be harmful in the long-run?
Terence
RRM and all others, what do you think of such a high protein intake? Are there any proofs that it could be harmful in the long-run?
Terence
Re: How much animal protein is too much?
Thats not that high.Terence wrote:I upped my intake of animal protein to 150 - 200 grams per day (with good results)
Protein is energy and protein supplies building blocks composing new cells and neurotransmitters.
Animal foods are nutrient dense and easy to digest.
Thats is why you feel good.
Im not saying its too much regarding health.It´s often heard that too much protein is harmful for our bodies. From my feeling I would say that high protein intake is perfect!
It may be too much for your skin though, or not.
Not necessarily true.I generally don´t count protein from plant food because it is very inferior, IMO.
Take a look at protein quality of different foods at this page:
http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm
Brazil nuts have better protein quality than any animal food, and peaches and figs have a better protein quality than beef (though containing far less protein in total)
Its not extremely high. Compared to the sample diet its high.RRM and all others, what do you think of such a high protein intake? Are there any proofs that it could be harmful in the long-run?
The longest living animals on this planet (non-fish eating whales, sea turtles, elephants) have a relatively low protein intake. Pure predators dont live as long.
The reason: unlike carbs and fats, protein also contains nitrogen, which needs to be converted into toxic ammonium and ureum subsequently. This nitrogen load correlates with longevity.
Re: How much animal protein is too much?
You seem to be very convinced by todays science. I´m sure that we are still far away from the ability to get the whole picture. We should place much more emphasis on body signals than values in databases. Don´t you think that our bodies can give more precise answers than any nutrient table?RRM wrote:Not necessarily true.Terence wrote:I generally don´t count protein from plant food because it is very inferior, IMO.
Take a look at protein quality of different foods at this page:
http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm
Brazil nuts have better protein quality than any animal food, and peaches and figs have a better protein quality than beef (though containing far less protein in total)
Yes, that was my concern, too. But maybe this is just theory?RRM wrote:The longest living animals on this planet (non-fish eating whales, sea turtles, elephants) have a relatively low protein intake. Pure predators dont live as long.
The reason: unlike carbs and fats, protein also contains nitrogen, which needs to be converted into toxic ammonium and ureum subsequently. This nitrogen load correlates with longevity.
Thanks for your input!
Terence
Yes, you are right in the sense that for many years, protein quality of foods was calculated by comparing their amino acid balance to that of egg white protein amino acid balance. The less a food deviated from egg white's amino acid balance, the higher was its 'protein quality'.avalon wrote:I thought the egg was the Holy Grail of protein, by which all other proteins are compared.
More recently they realised that this does not make any sense at all, as egg white's amino acid profile does not in any way resemble human amino acid requirements.
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Im very much aware of the flaws in today's science.Terence wrote:You seem to be very convinced by todays science.
not always.Don´t you think that our bodies can give more precise answers than any nutrient table?
For example; if you ingest opioid peptides, you may feel ' a hunger' that is not real, in the sense that it does not reflect your true energy requirments.
Also, if you lack a certain nutrient, your appetite may be increased as well, and also the availability of specific neurotransmitters very much influence your mood and how 'your body feels', as does cholesterol and glucose.
So, we cannot just assume our body 'doesnt lie', as we need to have everything else right first, which can be very tricky.
Also, we do have some insight regarding how much of every amino acid we roughly need, so that its very much possible to state that some plant foods (Brazil nuts) have a far better protein quality than most animal foods.
Its an observation.Yes, that was my concern, too. But maybe this is just theory?
RRM wrote:
Okay, who are 'they' and so, do Brazil nuts resemble Human amino acid requirements better? Can you post links to this? Very interested.More recently they realised that this does not make any sense at all, as egg white's amino acid profile does not in any way resemble human amino acid requirements.
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protein and fat
I was looking at:
http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm
and simultaneously trying to find the postings on here about eating fat and protein in concert. (Isn't there discussion about how this is either a) optimal; or b) necessary for protein metabolism?) I can't remember... Some of the more casual postings have to do with taking raw yolks with a bit of oil (I think that was Oscar)...
If there is some reason, could it be spliced into the above article on the Wai site?
I eat enough fat; I eat it with raw protein; I just can't remember the reason I think RRM gave for doing so (and why). I have just been wondering, and also feeling it would be a valuable sidebar to the FAQs on protein on the site.
http://www.13.waisays.com/protein.htm
and simultaneously trying to find the postings on here about eating fat and protein in concert. (Isn't there discussion about how this is either a) optimal; or b) necessary for protein metabolism?) I can't remember... Some of the more casual postings have to do with taking raw yolks with a bit of oil (I think that was Oscar)...
If there is some reason, could it be spliced into the above article on the Wai site?
I eat enough fat; I eat it with raw protein; I just can't remember the reason I think RRM gave for doing so (and why). I have just been wondering, and also feeling it would be a valuable sidebar to the FAQs on protein on the site.
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I dont remember having said that.summerwave wrote: I eat enough fat; I eat it with raw protein; I just can't remember the reason I think RRM gave for doing so (and why).
In my opinion, you can perfectly consume meat without any additional fat.
(many high protein foods are also high in fat)
If you combine protein and carbs, thats also okay, as glucose stimulates the uptake of amino acids,
preventing the conversion of amino acids into energy.
I now vaguely remember having said something about consuming sufficient energy with protein,
as that prevents the conversion of protein into energy.
Both glucose and fatty acids have this effect.
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That obviously differs per person.Kookaburra wrote:I realized that the thread starter's question was not answered. How much animal protein is too much?
It depends on your conditions, and on what you want.
That depends on your weight, on how much protein is used for energy,I would also like to know what is the minimum amount of animal protein required for a 22 year old male?
and on the quality of the protein that you consume.
What foods do you eat normally? (and how much?)
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I weigh about 45kg. I always eat animal protein before I sleep so I don't think I use protein for energy.That depends on your weight, on how much protein is used for energy,
and on the quality of the protein that you consume.
What foods do you eat normally? (and how much?)
This is how my daily diet looks like:
I eat two small bananas when I wake up. After that, I sip from orange juice and olive oil throughout the day. Sometimes, I will also eat about 15 to 20 dried apricots/pears. My last meal consists of either raw egg yolks or salmon/tuna.
Huh?Kookaburra wrote: I weigh about 45kg.
How tall are you?
There is info about how much protein you need here:
http://www.waiworld.com/waidiet/nut-fruitprotein.html
You will need about (45/80 x 384) 216 mg methionine and cysteine, minimally,
and anything over (45/80 x 1040) 585 mg may be redundant.
So, im guessing you ingest about 90 mg methionine and 112 mg cystein from fruits only,
which means you minimally need about 115 mg and maximally 484 mg of each from animal food,
which equals minimally 2 egg yolks daily, or 26 grams of tuna / salmon.
Anything over 8 yolks, or 100 g of salmon or 110 g of salmon will be redundant for you.