Need some help.. OJ recipe, nuts, getting all nutrients

seven · Post by **seven** » Thu 16 Nov 2006 16:47

Hi all!

I was on this kick ass diet some months ago..for two weeks. But now Im giving it another shot.

My problem is I cant find the recepie for the OJ. Ive been searching everywhere but I cant find it anymore. Since I started yesterday Ive been using 6 TS sugar and 2 TS olive oil for every litre orange juice. I dunno how correct that is.

Also, these 2 days Ive basicly not eaten anything at all. Ive been drinking 2 litre OJ a day, an egg yolk a day and maybe 60g brazil nuts a day.
Im gooing to increase the number of egg yolks but I dont know how much vegetables to eat. Any suggestions?

seven · Post by **seven** » Thu 16 Nov 2006 18:09

oh, also, where on earth can I order brazil nuts??

The only ones I can find here in sweden are without shells and cost about 20$/kg!

nick · Post by **nick** » Thu 16 Nov 2006 19:25

seven,

If I were you I wouldn't bother with the brazil nuts as in some people they can cause breakouts. This is because they might not be totally fresh and thus a waste of money on a 50/50 chance.

You should start adding other fruits like banana's, which are cheap.
For the sugar to fat ratio, it is advised that for every 2 grams of sugar you need one gram of fat.

In some a little more sugar is needed, but try that out. I found that adding that much sugar (6 tbsp) is way too much for me.

seven · Post by **seven** » Thu 16 Nov 2006 19:44

ok, I'll start using to 5 tbsp sugar and 3 tbsp oil then. Since its sugar in the oranges aswell. (right?

)

The brazil nuts worked fine last time, I was clearing up real good.

What about vegetables? I kinda know what vegetables to eat, but not how much.

nick · Post by **nick** » Fri 17 Nov 2006 01:15

If you have no problem with Brazil nuts then eat them.

Look on the front page and read the no more acne link.
This gives you all the info and then some.

Post by **Oscar** » Fri 17 Nov 2006 01:19

You don't need to eat any vegetables, just fruits, egg yolks/fish, olive oil. I use about 6-8 teaspoons sugar per liter OJ, if that helps. Like Nick said, eat some more fruits, also avocado and/or tomato and/or cucumber.

seven · Post by **seven** » Fri 17 Nov 2006 13:54

Allright.

Guys, I dont know if I can stand the fish anymore

Any special vegetables I should eat to compensate for the lost nutritions?

seven · Post by **seven** » Fri 17 Nov 2006 17:21

*Any special vegetables/FRUITS I should eat to compensate for the lost nutritions?

nick · Post by **nick** » Fri 17 Nov 2006 17:25

No.
Just make sure your diet supplies you with all the nutrients by submitting it to the nutrient calculator then you add the foods you need to get what your missing/lacking.

Good Luck.

seven · Post by **seven** » Mon 20 Nov 2006 17:53

Im having trouble getting all the stuff I need in my diet, could someone help me?

I used the calculator, added stuff I dont even eat right now and still I lack stuff. For example, Im not eating fish or nuts but even with them added I lack.

RDA: FDA Men, 19-24YR, 72kg, 160lb, 177cm, 70in

Selection:
[Item-1] 10units of Oranges (Citrus sinensis), no peel, Calif. navel, [1],
[Item-2] 90ml (mililiters) of Olive oil (Olea europea), [1],
[Item-3] 100g (grams) of Chicken Egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1],
[Item-4] 2units of Tomatoes (Lycopersicon esculentum), red, ripe, yr avg, [1][2][4],
[Item-5] 1units of Avocados (Persea americana), California, [1],
[Item-6] 1units, medium of Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1],
[Item-7] 1units of Apricots (Prunus armeniaca), [1],
[Item-8] 1units of Plums (Prunus spp.), [1],
[Item-9] 1units of Figs (Ficus carica), dried, [1][2],
[Item-10] 50g (grams) of Mackerel (Scombermorus cavalla (Cuvier)), king, kingfish, [1][3],
[Item-11] 80g (grams) of Brazil nuts (Bertholletia excelsa), not dried, [2][1].

Weight:......................................2352.0253g

Constituents...................................Quantity..............RDA

Water........................................1829.60820g ..............?g
Energy.......................................2868.03979kcal .....2900.00kcal
Protein quality...................................42.86%
Protein........................................60.56450g ..........58.00g
-Methionine.....................................1.84261g .......13mg/kg
-Cysteine.......................................1.04197g .......13mg/kg
Total lipid (Fat).............................200.64081g ..............?g
Carbohydrate..................................239.44010g ..............?g
Fiber, total dietary...........................56.34600g ..............?g
-Fibre, wat. sol................................1.66120g ..............?g missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
-Fibre, wat. ins................................6.03580g ..............?g missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

Minerals, and trace elements
Calcium, Ca...................................890.38999mg .......1200.00mg
Iron, Fe.......................................13.27189mg .........10.00mg
Magnesium, Mg.................................438.91000mg ........350.00mg
Phosphorus, P................................1596.09025mg .......1200.00mg
Potassium, K.................................5714.00000mg .............?mg
Sodium, Na....................................183.95000mg .............?mg
Zinc, Zn........................................8.84271mg .........15.00mg
Copper, Cu......................................2.72826mg .............?mg
Manganese, Mn...................................1.89714mg .............?mg missing items:2
Selenium, Se....................................0.14866mg ..........0.07mg missing items:1, 5
Iodide, I.......................................0.00210mg ..........0.15mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10
Cobalt, Co......................................0.02214mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Chromium, Cr....................................0.09230mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Nickel, Ni......................................0.00956mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Fluorine, F.....................................0.05904mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Boron, B........................................0.41780mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11
Silicon, Si.....................................6.64200mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Tin, Sn.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Molybdenum, Mo..................................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Vanadium, V.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Chloride.......................................81.97000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11
Bromine, Br.....................................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Aluminium, Al...................................0.00442mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Nitrite.........................................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Nitrate........................................12.30000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid................883.32600mg .........60.00mg
Vitamin B1, Thiamin.............................2.66780mg ..........1.50mg
Vitamin B2, Riboflavin..........................1.98922mg ..........1.70mg
Vitamin B3, Niacin, Nicotinamide...............14.61547mg .........19.00mg
Vitamin B5, Pantothenic acid...................10.74731mg .............?mg
Vitamin B6, Pyridoxine..........................3.04690mg ..........2.00mg
Folate, total.................................805.46000mcg .......200.00mcg
-Folate acid (Vitamin B9)......................31.20000mcg ............?mcg
-Folate, food.................................802.26000mcg ............?mcg
-Folate, DFE..................................801.46000mcg_DFE ........?mcg_DFE
Vitamin B-12...................................10.91000mcg .........2.00mcg
Vitamin A, IU................................8696.30000IU .............?IU
Vitamin A, RE................................1315.50999mcg_RE ...1000.00mcg_RE
Total carotenoids...............................9.69000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11
-alpha-carotene.................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-beta-carotene..................................9.69008mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10
-gamma-carotene.................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-cryptoxanthin..................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-mutatochrome...................................0.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-lycopene....................................7380.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-lutein+zeaxanthin..............................0.00000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Vitamin D.....................................248.00000IU ........400.00IU
Vitamin E......................................23.94433mg_ATE .....10.00mg_ATE missing items:1
Vitamin H, Biotin...............................9.84000mcg ............?mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Vitamin K......................................19.68000mcg ........70.00mcg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
Tocopherol, total..............................16.28780mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
-Tocopherol, alpha.............................19.51991mg .............?mg missing items:1, 7, 8, 9, 10
-Tocopherol, beta...............................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-Tocopherol, gamma..............................9.11980mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
-Tocopherol, delta..............................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-Tocotrienol, alpha.............................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
-Tocotrienol, beta..............................0.00000mg .............?mg missing items:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Mon 20 Nov 2006 20:11

seven wrote:I used the calculator, added stuff I dont even eat right now and still I lack stuff. For example, Im not eating fish or nuts but even with them added I lack.

Dont worry, you dont lack.
First of all, particularly the USDA generally does not list data for quite a lot minerals, trace elements and also vitamin K, for example.
So, you think that you lack:

Vitamin K....................................19.68000mcg ........70.00mcg
Iodide, I........................................0.00210mg ............0.15mg

But you dont; because of the "missing items".
the missing items in these cases are:

missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
missing items:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10

This means that only the amount of vitamin K in tomatoes is calculated, and for iodide only the amount present in tomatoes, figs and Brazil nuts.
The data from Souci is more complete:

Vitamin K.....................................254.85590mcg ........70.00mcg
Iodide, I.......................................0.03343mg ..........0.15mg

But still, data is missing:

missing items:2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
missing items:2, 5, 7, 8, 10

If only the data from Souci regarding iodide in mackerel had been listed in our calculator (Oscar is working on that!), it would already have made a big difference, as mackerel alone already contains 0.0490 mg iodide per 100 gram. And we simply dont know how iodide there is in avocado, apricot and plums...
If we then also know that the recommendations for iodide are far greater than our actual need for iodide, you get a very different picture, which brings me to the next point:

The second row are recommendations, not requirements.
The best example is calcium; in countries where they consume 300 to 500 mg calcium, osteoporosis rates are by far the lowest, and everybody ingests enough calcium to grow adult bones. The calcium recommendations is purely based on assumptions that our bones will last longer if we take more calcium (than we need).
What we need is 300 mg to 500 mg max.
What they recommend is 1200 mg. Hence the 'lack'.

Calcium, Ca................................890.38999mg .......1200.00mg

Recommendations in general are much higher than your biological needs. This 'to make sure'. But fact is that our body very efficiently can increase uptake ratios (up to ten-fold!!!) of zinc for example, when required. Most uptake levels are very low, because our body doesnt want to take up too much of any metal/mineral, as that is very harmful (see http://www.3.waisays.com )
In the meantime, recommendations are only increased, assuming that this may be safer.
In The Netherlands, the recommendations for zinc used to be 5 to 10 mg.
The recommendations for zinc vitamin B3 used to be 8 mg.
So that here is no issue of a lack either:

Zinc, Zn.........................................8.84271mg ..........15.00mg
Vitamin B3, Niacin,.......................14.61547mg ..........19.00mg

seven · Post by **seven** » Mon 20 Nov 2006 21:15

awesome. =)

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Wed 22 Nov 2006 19:21

There is a more simple calculator now:
http://www.3.waisays.com/simple_calculator.html

happy_face · Post by **happy_face** » Tue 02 Dec 2008 03:50

Just curious: are the missing data going to be added

I would like to see for zinc, iodide, Vitamin K.

YouTube · Post by **RRM** » Tue 02 Dec 2008 17:27

The missing date are not 'our omission'; they have simply not been measured yet. When they are known, of course we will add them to the calculator...