Vaccinations

[Oscar]

(Split off from another thread)

Did you get any vaccinations for your baby, or not?

[RRM]

Did you get any vaccinations for her, or not?

Yes, we will do all of them.
Vaccinations are based on the idea that exposing yourself to a (weakened) virus makes your defense stronger,
much similar to the idea that your defense gets stronger by often getting exposed to the bacteria in fresh raw foods.

[overkees]

There are also some heavy metals in it. And some only provide the antibodies that will dissapear with time. I would choose very wisely

[RRM]

There are also some heavy metals in it.

Which one contains heavy metals?

And some only provide the antibodies that will dissapear with time.

Which vaccination is that?

[overkees]

Having read a bit more about vaccinations I have come to the conclusion that sometimes you get a vaccine if you are sick already to give you the antibodies needed. This way your body won't have a memory to make these itself. With tetanus for instance. So this isn't the case with child vaccines in most of the cases.

The heavy metal most dangerous seems to be thiomersal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccin ... /UCM096228

Most of the vaccines these days seem to be free of it.

Ingredient list:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

[RRM]

...sometimes you get a vaccine if you are sick already to give you the antibodies needed. ...this isn't the case with child vaccines in most of the cases.

I think that this is never the case with routine child vaccinations.

The heavy metal most dangerous seems to be thiomersal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
Most of the vaccines these days seem to be free of it.

Yes, and none of the vaccinations routinely given to babies contain thiomersal.

[overkees]

Yes, reading even some more into the vaccine files and I come to the conclusion that it's pretty harmless. It's a big thing among people though, alot of people are so scared of the vaccines that they see conspiracies behind them. With Ron Paul even wanting to get rid off alot of vaccines. I think all this comes from the fact that people just don't want needles in m. I haven't been critical.. shame on me.

[Mr. PC]

So all this stuff about mercury in vaccines, and having adverse side effect, or stories about a kid who was fine, and then got a vaccine and became autistic; it's all bogus?

[dime]

Yes Mr. PC, that's the conclusion.

[RRM]

With time people learned what to put in vaccines (preservative), and what not (preservative thiomersal featuring mercury),
so that in the beginning a few accidents happened (12 children killed in 1928 due to a lack of preservative in the vaccine),
but since then the vaccines have improved a lot.

[Mr. PC]

I would like to find more sources when I have time. Before making that kind of decision for my child I'd have to be 100% certain and see the data with my own eyes.

[RRM]

I'd have to be 100% certain and see the data with my own eyes.

Thats the spirit!!
Go Mr. PC!
Fortunately, there are plenty of studies available about this.

[Rivera]

Vaccines And How They Are Made

You’re a mother, holding this perfect and tiny human being in your arms, that you nurtured and grew for 9 months. Not a drop of alcohol passed your lips, nor a single headache pill. You were pregnant, so the doctors told you not to even take an asprin. You spent the months taking your vitamins, avoiding smokey atmospheres and worrying about traffic fumes.
Yet when your baby is 8 weeks old, barely bigger than he was as a foetus inside you, you will be expected to consent to him being injected with 8 different viruses and bacteria and a cocktail of different chemicals and solvents in order to ‘protect’ him from disease and secure his health.

By the time he is 13 months old, he will have been given 50 vaccines (51 when they introduce chickenpox vaccine). This is because the number of injections is not the same as the number of vaccines, for instance, MMR is one jab but three vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella. Prevnar is one jab but seven vaccines for seven types of pneumonia.

Here is the 2008 UK Vaccination Schedule:

2 Months: DTAP/HIB/IPV (tetanus toxoid, diphtheria toxoid, pertussis bacteria, Hib bacteria, 3 polio viruses), Prevnar (7 types of pneumonia) = 15 different viruses or bacteria.

3 Months: DTAP/HIB/IPV (tetanus toxoid, diphtheria toxoid, pertussis bacteria, hib bacteria, 3 polio viruses), Meningitis C (1 meningitis C bacteria) = 8 different viruses or bacteria.

4 Months: DTAP/HIB/IPV (tetanus toxoid, diphtheria toxoid, pertussis bacteria, hib bacteria, 3 polio viruses), Meningitis C (1 meningitis C bacteria), Prevnar (7 types of pneumonia) = 15 viruses or bacteria.

12 months: Hib vaccine (hib bacteria), Meningitis C (meningitis C bacteria) = 2 bacterium.

13 Months: MMR (measles, mumps and rubella viruses), Prevnar (7 types of pneumonia) = 10 viruses or bacteria.

(Source for Schedule: http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Immunisation_Schedule (schedule correct at January 2009).

So what exactly is in the vaccines they want to give your child? When I was a young and inexperienced first time mother, I thought maybe they just contained the germs they ‘immunise’ against and maybe a little water mixed in. Some probing at a medical library revealed that all vaccines are in fact, a toxic blend of chemicals, metals and human or animal blood products.

Here I will explain which vaccines will be offered to your child, what they are composed of and the affects of those ingredients on the body.

DTAP/IPV/HIB

This injection is given at 2, 3 and 4 months of age and is for vaccination against Diphtheria, Tetanus, acellular (half-cell) Pertussis, 3 types of Polio virus, and Haemophilus Influenzae B infection.
It contains: Diphtheria toxoid, tetanus toxoid, five components of the bordetella pertussis bacteria, filamentous haemagglutinin (the part of the bacteria which causes infection), pertactin, three types of inactivated polio virus, types 1, 2 and 3, a component of Haemophilus influenzae type B which has been attached to tetanus toxoid to make babies produce more antibodies to it, neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B (3 types of antibiotics), formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol (a detergent which is the main ingredient of anti-freeze), aluminium, polysorbate 80 (an emulsifier linked to male infertility), and water. (Sanofi Pasteur vaccine manufacturer's leaflet, December 2007).

Meningitis C

This injection is given along side DTAP/IPV/HIB at 2, 3 and 4 months of age.
It contains: Meningococcal group C bacterium, diphtheria CRM protein, aluminium, sodium chloride and water (as stated in the Meningitec Vaccine data sheet, 1999, Wyeth Vaccines) – they fail to disclose what the vaccine is cultured on, but this is usually some form of animal or human tissue.

Prevnar (Pneumonia):

This contains SEVEN different types of pneumonia, so it's actually a 7-in-1 injection rather than a single vaccine: serotypes 4, 9V, 14, 18C, 19F, 23F and 6B, CRM carrier protein (diphtheria toxoid purified by ammonium sulfate), aluminium.

MMR

This injection is given between the ages of 12 and 15 months, and is to vaccinate against three quite mild childhood illnesses, measles, mumps and rubella.
It contains: Live measles virus, mumps virus, rubella virus, sorbitol, sodium phosphate, sucrose, gelatine, human albumin, chick embryos, foetal bovine serum (aborted calf baby), human diploid cell (aborted human baby), neomycin (as stated in MMR 2 manufacturer’s data sheet, Merck, Sharp and Dohme LTD).

Why are there so many chemicals in vaccines?

To start with, a virus or bacteria cannot grow without unclean conditions (much the same as a naturally occurring illness cannot take hold in the body without a diseased condition already being present). To manufacture a vaccine virus, they therefore have to use animal or human tissue and blood products to grow the virus or bacteria on.
They also have to add preservatives (which until recently was thimerosal, a Mercury compound. It is used in the manufacturing process, just not as an actual added ingredient), or something like 2-phenoxyethanol, which is the main ingredient of anti-freeze.
They then have to put in antibiotics, such as neomycin or polymyxin to stop the child getting a vaccine site infection, and to prevent bacteria from spreading round the internal organs (known as vaccinia). This would be a more common problem if antibiotics weren’t routinely added.
As well as this, if the vaccine contains ‘killed’ or inactive viruses, then they will add in a substance to render the virus dead, usually formaldehyde, which is one of the world’s most toxic substances and is carcinogenic. There are also additional PH buffering chemicals, emulsifiers, adsorbers and stabilizers sometimes known as vaccine 'excipients', for example, Octoxynol 9, polysorbate 20 and 80 and Sodium borate.
Finally, they include adjuvants, such as aluminium or other heavy metals. They put in adjuvants to kick the immune system into producing more antibodies.
The child would never produce a readable antibody level to any of the vaccine virus, so they have to put in extremely toxic adjuvants like aluminium so that the antibody response will increase. The child is then thought to be ‘immune’ to the diseases, when in all reality, he or she is probably just reacting to heavy metals.

What side-effects can these chemicals cause?

2-Phenoxyethanol: This is the ingredient that has replaced thimerosal. It can cause systematic poisoning, headache, shock, weakness, convulsions, kidney damage, kidney failure, cardiac failure, death.
The Ethylene Oxide component is a skin irritant also responsible for causing burns, blisters, dermatitis, and eczema conditions (according to vaccine data sheet toxicology notes and Marshall Sittig, Handbook of Toxic and Hazardous Chemicals and Carcinogens, 2nd Ed. (Park Ridge, NJ: Noyes Publications, 1985).

Aluminium: Aluminium is a carcinogen, that is capable of causing cancer. The bureau of Biologics stated that ‘there is little doubt that some of the material containing aluminium as an adjuvant appears to be carcinogenic…’
In animal tests, it caused fibrosarcomas at the injection site. (You can read more about this in Jamie Murphy’s book, ‘What Every Parent Should Know About Immunization’, Earth Healing Products).

Aluminium has also been linked to memory loss, lack of concentration, dementia and other brain injuries.

Formaldehyde: Formaldehyde is a class 1 carcinogen, labelled by the Environmental Protection Agency in the US as a ‘hazardous waste.’
According to Dr. Penny Stanway, famous author of ‘Breast Is Best’ and ‘Green Babies’, ‘sensitivity to formaldehyde has been linked with eye, nose, throat and lung irritation, headaches, depression, memory loss and dizziness. 1 in 5 people exposed to formaldehyde may be affected…’
She goes onto say in a chapter about vaccination, that ‘Parents in a green family come up against a difficult decision, whether to submit their child to immunisation..in affect, the decision comes down to a choice between what is best for your child and what is best for everyone else’s children. From a green point of view, the latter might be the preferred choice.’
Clearly, this shows that even doctors themselves are sometimes unaware of the toxic ingredients in vaccines, they simply administer them.

Neomycin and other antibiotics: These suppress the immune system, leaving the child more susceptible to colds and virus. Some children are also allergic to them. Repeated use of antibiotics can render them ineffective against major illnesses such as meningitis. They have also been linked with the rise in allergies such as asthma and eczema.

Octoxynol 9 contains glycol ether which is toxic and has been directly linked to infertility problems in men. Namely low sperm count, abnormally shaped sperm and sperm with poor motility. Painters and decorators in particular have been warned not to work with paints containing glycol, yet it is happily injected into male babies.

Polysorbate 20 and 80 are detergent type chemicals. After injection they convert into sorbitol and ethylene oxide which is more toxic than the original chemical. It can cause changes in heart function, infections of the blood/brain barrier, seizures and even death.

Polysorbate 80 is also a known infertility agent used by the Population Council of WHO in the development of anti-pregnancy vaccines since the 1960's. See my article on this website here:

http://infertility.suite101.com/article ... nfertility

Sodium Borate is neuro toxic and not meant for internal use, yet it is used in some vaccines, including the new Gardasil vaccine for cervical cancer. At a cellular level it can cause changes to DNA. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, flushed skin, changes in respiration and pulse, lethargy, seizures, shock, metabolic acidosis, vascular collapse and death. It can also cause mental illness such as depression, mental confusion and hyperactivity. It may be a clue as to why there are so many children with depression and behaviour disorders.

This study, (Gordon AS ; Prichard JS ; Freedman MH
Can. Med. Assoc. J.; VOL 108 ISS Mar 17 1973, P719-721, 724, (REF 6) [IPA]) reported that when 2 infants had their soothers dipped in sodium borate and honey, they developed seizure disorders.

Another study, (Brit. Med. J.; 2(5705), 314, 1970; (REF:11)) cited the case of a baby who died as a result of sodium borate in his disposible nappy/diaper and several other babies who became seriously ill. The British Pediatrics Association called for sodium borate not to be used during infancy, yet it is sometimes in vaccines.

Animal Products and Human Foetal Tissue: Children produce antibodies to ALL elements of the vaccine, not simply the viruses, so children vaccinated with gelatine containing vaccines can sometimes develop allergies to food stuffs containing gelatine. There is also a risk of transmission of BSE and the human form, CJD, if bovine serum is used, and contamination of vaccine with animal diseases (such as Simian Virus 40, found in Polio vaccines). Because they enter the blood stream, they are also capable of permanently altering our DNA.
This is why some vaccinologist’s prefer to use human tissue for vaccines. However, using human foetal tissue also presents problems, as the recipient can then develop antibodies to human tissue, which results in auto-immunity, whereby the person’s body attacks its own nerves and brain cells.

[RRM]

There are so many statements to respond to in this quote.
Just an example:

Aluminium is a carcinogen, that is capable of causing cancer.

Wiki:
"It is remarkably nontoxic...
Despite the extremely low acute toxicity, the health effects of aluminium are of interest in view of the widespread occurrence of the element in the environment and in commerce."

So, in view of the widespread occurence.

The bureau of Biologics stated that ‘there is little doubt that some of the material containing aluminium as an adjuvant appears to be carcinogenic…’

It clearly says: some of the material containing aluminium as an adjuvant appears to be...', and not "aluminium appears to be..."

Rivera, in your opinion, whats the strongest 'con' about vaccinations in the quote above?'
So that we can analyze it.

[Kasper]

Abstract: A great deal has been learned about the neurotoxicity of aluminum over the past two decades in terms of its
ability to disrupt cellular function. Newer evidence suggests that a more central pathophysiological mechanism may be responsible for much of the toxicity of aluminum and aluminofluoride compounds on the brain. This mechanism involves
activation of the brain’s innate immune system, primarily the microglia, with a release of neurotoxic concentrations of excitotoxins and pro-inflammatory cytokines, chemokines and immune mediators. A large number of studies suggest that
excitotoxicity plays a significant role in the neurotoxic action of a number of metals, including aluminum. Recently, researchers have found that while most of the chronic neurodegenerative effects of these metals are secondary to prolonged
inflammation, it is the enhancement of excitotoxicity by the immune mediators that is responsible for most of the metal’s
toxicity. This enhancement occurs via a crosstalk between cytokine receptors and glutamate receptors. The author coined
the name immunoexcitotoxicity to describe this process. This paper reviews the evidence linking immunoexcitotoxicity to
aluminum’s neurotoxic effects.

http://web.mac.com/rblaylock/Russell_Bl ... aylock.pdf

I haven't really studied it, but maybe some intresting material.