Refined sugar

[fred]

You asked "Does meat 'tap in on vitamin C'?" (because it is low in vitamin C). I answered that I don't see the point because meat does not need vitamin C to be properly absorbed, so there is no risk of emptying vitamin C stock by eating meat. However, there is a risk of emptying B1 reserve by eating white sugar, as white sugar tape in on vitamin B1 stock. Much better to eat whole food that contain both sugar and cofactors to properly assimilate sugar. Right?

[overkees]

Oranges have loads of B1, so it might be that the combination of OJ + sugar is a fine combination. But speaking in general, I think that sugar is bad for health.

It draws on too much things, and I rather add things. Also, alot of pathogens thrive on sugar. I will get major troubles if I eat too much sugar in one setting. Even if my diet consists of a lot of healthy things and I have more than enough vit B1.

In short: due to your lifestyle, RRM, plain sugar might not have the bad effects on you. But for someone with an already health situation that is out of whack it is way to risky, even in very very small amounts.

[RRM]

You asked "Does meat 'tap in on vitamin C'?" (because it is low in vitamin C). I answered that I don't see the point because meat does not need vitamin C to be properly absorbed, so there is no risk of emptying vitamin C stock by eating meat.

I made that comparison, because similar to the vitamin C contents of a food and its assimilation,
there is no relationship between the B vitamin contents of a food and its assimilation.
Despite their lack of B vitamins, sugar and oil will always be correctly assimilated.
Not an individual food, but your diet in general needs to supply you with sufficient B1.

there is a risk of emptying B1 reserve by eating white sugar, as white sugar tape in on vitamin B1 stock.

Not If your diet contains sufficient B1.
If you consume lots of OJ, for example, adding white sugar is totally safe regarding B1.
All you need is a balanced diet, and then sugar fits in perfectly.

Much better to eat whole food that contain both sugar and cofactors to properly assimilate sugar. Right?

If you ingest all required nutrients, its perfectly okay to also consume something devoid of any vitamins or minerals.
Additional nutrients will not make you healthier.
If you already ingested enough B1, you dont need any extra B1 from sugar.
If you drink only cola all day, still the sugar will be correctly assimilated.
Getting enough sugar from junk food is never an issue.
In all cases, that sugar will always be correctly assimilated.

[RRM]

I will get major troubles if I eat too much sugar in one setting.

Sure, too much is bad.
The same goes for eating too large meals in general; excess protein and/carbs will always overstimulate insulin secretion.
That is not caused by sugar, but a too great intake of protein / carbs in one sitting.
Dont blame the sugar, but the size of the intake.

In short: due to your lifestyle, RRM, plain sugar might not have the bad effects on you. But for someone with an already health situation that is out of whack it is way to risky, even in very very small amounts.

Actually, if you have diabetes, your life may depend on having small amounts of sugar available at all times.
Glucose in your blood is a life-safer. Not a threat.
Excess is a threat, but that goes for everything.

[RRM]

Becoming fat after drinking lots of coca cola precisely proves that white sugar is toxic : it makes you fat!

I missed this one.
Are you being serious here??

And a real food is not addictive, it cannot make you fat...

I missed this one too...
You can gain weight on any diet, including by just eating fruits and raw animal food.
Thats because psychological issues also play a role.
So, yes, real foods can make you fat, simply by overeating.

[fred]

Overeating on a raw natural food diet is not very common because you don't want to eat more when your body is nourished.
Overeating has more chance to happen when one eats "empty calorie" like white sugar, because the body desperately try to nourish himself but is never really satisfied, and because of the addictive effect.

[RRM]

a real food is not addictive, it cannot make you fat...

Overeating on a raw natural food diet is not very common because you don't want to eat more when your body is nourished.

Ah, thats better.

Overeating has more chance to happen when one eats "empty calorie" like white sugar, because the body desperately try to nourish himself but is never really satisfied

Its actually the other way around. If i dont ingest any B1 one whole day, this will not trigger any binge eating.
But if i dont ingest any glucose all day, this may trigger binge-eating.
Sugar nourishes the body's need for glucose.
When you deprive your body of glucose (as in no-sugar diets), you will trigger binge-eating.
Sugar helps you to prevent that,
because it gives you one of the most essential nutrients: glucose.
All you need is a balanced diet,
Raw animal food supplies you with nutrients including B12, cholesterol and all the omega-3s,
fruits give you lots of nutrients including vitamin C,
and white sugar is a perfect contributor of glucose and fructose.

and because of the addictive effect.

Sugar is not addictive.
Yes, its 'addicitive' in the sense that your body constantly needs glucose,
as its essential for brain and muscle (and most cells) functioning.
You may regard that as addictive, but similarly, your body is 'addicted' to vitamins and minerals.
Biologically, thats is not addiction, but essential.
Sure, the body's need for glucose is more urgent than the need for vitamins,
but that is because spare glucose (glycogen, glycerol) is more readily depleted than vitamins.

Diet yes, but individual foods do not need to supply the nutrients required for their own assimilation.
The body is way more advanced than that.
Here is a nice comparison:
In a simple community of gatherers and hunters, almost everybody needs to pinch in, when it comes to collecting food.
As communities became more settled and complex, people started to specialize,
and the percentage of people directly involved in collecting/producing food, progressively decreased as society developed.
The numan body is comparable to a highly complex community;
Individual foods do not need to supply the nutrients required for their own assimilation,
as all foods are specialists, specialized in contributing specific nutrients in abundance, while lacking others.
This is possible, because nutrients are distributed and/or stored in the body,
and utilized where ever they are required.
So, please do not hold on to an oversimplistic notion that all foods need to supply the nutrients required for their own assimilation.
All foods contribute something, and combined they need to supply you with everything that your body needs.
That is what we call a balanced diet.

[fred]

When you deprive your body of glucose (as in no-sugar diets), you will trigger binge-eating.

I actually followed a zero carbs diet during one year (only raw fatty meat) and had absolutely no binge-eating.

Sugar is not addictive.

Ask all these fat people who crave sugar all day even though their stomach and glycogen stores are full...
There are many natural food concentrated in sugar, like honey and dried fruits. Why on earth do you eat a highly refined industrial food ? to save money ?

[RRM]

When you deprive your body of glucose (as in no-sugar diets), you will trigger binge-eating.

I actually followed a zero carbs diet during one year (only raw fatty meat) and had absolutely no binge-eating.

I believe you.
Its just that among dieters its a very common phenomenon, for a good reason.

Sugar is not addictive.

Ask all these fat people who crave sugar all day even though their stomach and glycogen stores are full...

They eat addictive foods (containing opioid peptides, beta-carbolines), and often have psychological issues.

There are many natural food concentrated in sugar, like honey and dried fruits. Why on earth do you eat a highly refined industrial food ? to save money ?

Dried fruits are high in fiber, which may cause bloating.
I dont particularly fancy eating much honey.
White sugar is pure, effective, easy to handle and cheap.

[overkees]

I'd much more rather eat dried dates (almost pure sugar) than adding sugar to my OJ. I really hate the very sweet taste of OJ, I tried it before, it repulses me.

[RRM]

Whenever im physically active, i always love very sweet.
Gives met LOTS of energy to keep going and going endlessly.
Eventually, i see everybody else ending up tired, while i keep going relentlessly,
just by taking sips of (very sweet) OJ in between.

I'd much more rather eat dried dates (almost pure sugar)

Actually, dried dates is:
25% glucose
25% fructose
14% sucrose
1% sorbitol

[Kasper]

I've never been able to get such results. Even when I was at 100% Wai. I feel more energetic with high fat diets.

[RRM]

With additional sugars it takes a very accurate intake frequency, which may take a while to get used to.
The longer you practise it, the better you get at it. The eventual result (when done properly) is very high energy levels.
When not physically active you simply leave out the additional sugar.
With fats you bypass the whole sugar>glucose>insulin>glycogen>glucagon>glucose system,
and the spare energy depots are much larger, so that you will have no issues with highs and lows anyway,
so that you dont need any accuracy regarding meal intakes.
With mainly fats you may feel (moderately) energetic when not physically very active much of the day.