RRM wrote:Aytundra wrote:RRM wrote:Aytundra wrote:If blue is above red, and green is above red, then cramps.
This notion is based on what?
The blue, green, red hypotheses, are based on not meeting RDA proportions of KMgCa (KMgCaLog Ca@600mg graph).
Please explain.
Actually the quote there contains only half of my notion.
I do not need JSNFS RDA values to create the blue, green and red hypotheses.
I can create the blue, green, and red hypotheses independent of RDA. Because I am viewing nutrient pattern trends here.
Since I am skeptical of RDA values, I think of them as a crappy benchmark, and I think I will have to view natural patterns and trends before I can believe in an RDA value. Hence I plotted so so many fruits. (By the way plotting all those graphs ate up 8-13 hours of my life.)
Aytundra wrote: The blue, green, red hypotheses, are based on not meeting RDA proportions of KMgCa (KMgCaLog Ca@600mg graph).
Here is the other half of my notion:
Aytundra wrote: Hence I perceive Mg to Ca ratios define nuts and fish well, and it makes sense to me because nuts is on a different muscle range (that is it has no muscle), and fish uses their muscles differently then land animals, undulatory motion. Both are static motions. Fruits on the other hand have to grow expand centrically, and humans need to move. It might sound strange, but it makes sense, to me. But hazelnut confuses me. Maybe I need to check the data for typos, or rethink my theories. That is why I am now guessing it is magnesium and calcium that affects cramps. Fish and nuts explains.
Having the RDA certainly made it easier to hypothesize,
but what tips the bucket for me, is the fish and nut pattern trends.
Or else I would still believe you were overdosing in potassium, and not believe in magnesium and calcium ratio as the cause of your cramps.
RRM wrote:What is the RDA proportion of KMgCa?
From the Simple Wai Calculator I retrieved the RDA values for an adult male,
1) by setting sugar or any other fruit to 0g:
2) clicked calculate nutritional value:
3) Obtained the RDA values in the RDA column.
- Now I have the benchmark of how much calcium, magnesium and potassium:
For an Adult male of 30-49years old and about 169.1cm, 67.0kg, you will need:
Calcium 600.00mg, Magnesium 320.00mg, and Potassium 2000.00mg.
RDA: JSNFS Male, 30~49y, 169.1cm, 67.0kg [5]
Calcium, Ca.....................................0.00000mg ........600.00mg
Iron, Fe........................................0.00000mg .........10.00mg
Magnesium, Mg...................................0.00000mg ........320.00mg
Phosphorus, P...................................0.00000mg ........700.00mg
Potassium, K....................................0.00000mg .......2000.00mg
RRM wrote:Aytundra wrote:It looks to me like olive oil and sugar will not be good ways to control Ca, you will need a lot, and fats and sugars will be drastically out of balance if you chose those to control your Ca levels
What???
Please explain...
I have four purposes with this quote:
1) to state my outliers. Sugar and olive oil will unlikely cause you Mg:Ca cramps, because of no Mg manipulation.
2) to say Olive, Chicken yolk and human milk are very likely the only "very easy" manipulators of calcium levels in the Wai diet.
3) to conclude that if someone had to live on these 62 food items, chicken yolks will be your easiest choice to manipulate and supplement calcium levels, because olive is canned, and human milk, well it is not easily accessible, and it will contain growth hormones.
4) If the average person without math or statistics training, looked at my log graph:
they will think they can control potassium K and calcium Ca levels with sugar, and calcium Ca levels with olive oil.
But that would be misleading, and a misread of my
log graph.
The log graph can only state the patterns or trends.
The log graph can not tell you how much sugar or olive oil to consume to bring up Ca levels to the RDA limit.
If you look at my
ranked Ca held constant at 600mg graph:
You can see the excess or insufficient amount of K and Mg you will be consuming when trying to meet Ca minimum of RDA value of "human" for any of the 62 food item.
What the ranked graph doesn't tell you is how much you have to eat to get the 600mg of Ca.
Here is a
table of grams of food you need to meet RDA value of Ca 600mg:
[From the table, after eliminating nuts, because of bad Mg:Ca ratio(from the guesses on Mg:Ca ratio creating cramps),
leaving: figs, chicken yolks, raisins, olives and oranges as the next best items to get Ca.
But figs and raisins are dried and who will want to eat fiber,
hence chicken yolks and oranges are left to manipulate Ca levels easily.
NOTE: you will not want to eat ~400g of egg yolks, hence, orange juice is the easiest way to get Ca.]
Aytundra wrote:It looks to me like olive oil and sugar will not be good ways to control Ca, you will need a lot, and fats and sugars will be drastically out of balance if you chose those to control your Ca levels
So to conclude you will need 60000g of granulated sugar to get 600mg of Ca in your diet, assuming data from the Wai calculator is correct.
60kg!!!, that is a lot, so don't make the mistake of looking at my log graph to eat Ca to balance out K:Mg:Ca ratios.
Table of amount of food in "grams" needed to get RDA 600mg of Ca.....Item Name
241.94 Almond (Prunus dulcis), [1].
265.49 Hazelnut, (Corylus spp.), [2][1].
310.88 Fig (Ficus carica), dried, [2][1].
340.91 Brazil nut (Bertholletia excelsa), dried, unblanched, [1][2].
416.67 Fig (Ficus carica), dried, [1][2].
428.57 Chicken egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [2].
437.96 Chicken egg yolk (Gallus domesticus), raw, [1].
454.55 Brazil nut (Bertholletia excelsa), not dried, [2][1].
526.32 Hazelnut, (Corylus spp.), [1][2].
612.24 Walnut (Juglans regia), [1][2].
681.82 Olive (Olea europea), ripe, canned, [1].
705.88 Macadamia nut (Macadamia ternifolia), [1][2].
857.14 Pecan nut (Carya illinoensis), [1].
1200.00 Raisin (Vitis vinifera), [1].
1428.57 Orange (Citrus aurantium L. Subsp.) Sinensis L. [2].
1428.57 Orange (Citrus aurantium L. Subsp.) Sinensis L. [2].
1500.00 Orange (Citrus sinensis), no peel, Calif. navel, [1].
1500.00 Tuna (Thunnus spp.), [2][1].
1764.71 Kiwi (Actinidia chinensis), [1].
1764.71 Ling fish (Molva molva - Lange - Linque - Leng) [1][3].
1818.18 Mandarin (Citrus nobilis loureiro), tangerine, [2][1].
1875.00 Milk, human.
1875.00 Blackberry (Rubus spp.), [1].
1875.00 Snapper (Lutjanidae), finfish mixed species, [1].
1875.00 Date (Phoenix dactylifera), natural and dry, [1].
1935.48 Mackerel (Scombermorus cavalla (Cuvier)), king, kingfish, [1][3].
2500.00 Coconut water (Cocos nucifera), [1].
2500.00 Papaya (Carica papaya), [1].
2608.70 Yellowtail, mixed species, (Seriola spp.), [1].
2727.27 Raspberry (Rubus spp.), [1].
3000.00 Coconut meat (Cocos nucifera), [2].
3750.00 Coconut milk (Cocos nucifera), liq. from grated meat+water, [1].
3750.00 Tuna (Thunnus albacares), yellow fin, [1][2].
3750.00 Pine nut, dried (Pinus spp.), [1].
4000.00 Cherry, sweet (Prunus avium), [1].
4285.71 Cucumber (Cucumis sativus), peeled, [1][2].
4285.71 Mandarin (Citrus reticulata), tangerine, [1].
4285.71 Strawberry (Fragaria X ananassa), [1][2].
4285.71 Apricot (Prunus armeniaca), [1].
4285.71 Coconut meat (Cocos nucifera), [1][2].
4615.38 Salmon (Salmo salar L.), [2][1].
5000.00 Salmon (Salmo salar), Atlantic wild, [1][2].
5454.55 Grape (Vitis vinifera), european varieties, eg Thompson, [1][2].
5454.55 Muskmelon (Cucumis melo), reticulatus grp, cantaloupe-US, [1][2].
5454.55 Avocado (Persea americana), California, [1].
6000.00 Pear (Pyrus communis L.), no skin, [2][1].
6000.00 Mango (Magnifera indica L.), [1][2].
6000.00 Avocado (Persea gratissima Gaertn.), [2].
6250.00 Grapefruit juice (Citrus paradisi), [2][1].
6896.55 Banana (Musa sapientum), [2].
7500.00 Watermelon (Citrulhus lanatus), [1][2].
8571.43 Pineapple (Ananus comosus), [1].
10000.00 Honey, [1].
10000.00 Blueberry (Vaccinium spp.), [1].
10000.00 Honeydew (Cucumis melo), [1].
10000.00 Banana (Musa X paradisiaca), [1].
12000.00 Peach (Prunus persica), [1].
12000.00 Tomato (Lycopersicon esculentum), red, ripe, yr avg, [1][2][4].
15000.00 Apple (Malus sylvestris), no skin, [1].
15000.00 Plum (Prunus spp.), [1].
60000.00 Sugar, granulated [1][2].
#DIV/0! Olive oil (Olea europea), [1].