panacea wrote:You say concepts are unimportant because they keep you up at night, yet this makes no sense. Constantly drinking something (without any break) would also cause you to stay up at night, since your body is busy doing something, that doesn't mean that drinking is unimportant - it just means it's not a good activity to try when trying to fall asleep - just as thinking about abstract or complicated concepts isn't either..
waipete wrote:This is exactly my point, conceptualizing should be kept to a minimum. I thought my concepts were more important then sleep, I was wrong.
That might be your point, it certainly wasn't mine. I was outlining how overdoing something, such as constantly drinking water, or constantly thinking about complex things while trying to fall asleep, can make a perfectly good thing in moderation become a problem.
Death does exist - our biological function terminates. Most likely you are thinking the term death means 'end of existence', and it doesn't mean that. We are transformed into some other type of energy and organization of matter as we decompose - that doesn't mean death doesn't exist. It's a concept we use to understand the transformation of things, like the transformation of a living thing to a nonliving thing, or the transformation of a star to a supernova (death of a star). These are both extremely useful concepts that help us understand things
waipete wrote:Its kinda like how you say good and bad don't exists, well here life and death don't exist, only in a concept they do, as you said, my point entirely. Furthermore this also leads to concepts not being real. I agree with you 100% here. I think our only disagreement now is the usefulness of concepts.
Good and bad do exist as concepts - however the concept of determinism overrules them. We use the superficial concepts to make sense of things, to determine the right and wrong paths in our lives so that deterministically we will be more likely to shy away from what society deems 'bad' and toward the 'good', even though we have no choice and are inherently innocent, the superficial dogma of good and bad itself creates a situation where people act differently.
Being 'totally in the moment' helps with anxiety because social anxiety stems from thinking about the negative consequences or thoughts of other people regarding you - fear of people you could say, and fear comes from dwelling on these negative thoughts. Dwelling on negative thoughts which cause anxiety is not grounds for condemning all conceptual thinking, as a great deal of thinking can be focused on positive things, and a great deal of negative thinking can help us avoid bad situations (I shouldn't kill that guy that made me mad, or I'll go to jail, as opposed to, if I kill that guy that made me mad and I go to jail, then jail is just a concept and the death penalty is fake because death doesn't exist, I'll still be in the moment and live forever). I hope you can see how ineffective this philosophy would be.
waipete wrote:Yes, I also had positive thoughts too, it wasn't so much positive and negative thoughts that was feared, it was more of my trying to control the situation with what I, In my head had the whole social meeting planned, but then in reality it didn't pan out quite as well, there was a mismatch between what I thought and what really happened. This made me very nervous which well you know led to discomfort this I also feared, now I don't really care, what happens, because when I'm comfortable I can easily talk about anything.
If there was a mismatch between your expectations and what happened, then you are forgetting the deterministic nature of things (out of your control) and this is causing you to feel uncomfortable, just like I said. How ridiculous would it be to feel uncomfortable in this situation if you could point to the deterministic nature of every other situation in your life - soon you would 'believe', even on a subconcious level, the deterministic nature of reality and wouldn't be anxious anymore... Non-deterministic views of most of society have been adapted by just about everyone and we can't help but feel 'human' (weak with our emotions) because of it, usually.
Where we are at now is not the fault of technology, technology is neutral (as are we, but that is hard to understand), and like a double edged sword technology can be used for 'good' and 'bad'.
waipete wrote:I'm gonna have to agree with you, I still think it causes overpopulation but still other things will happen to counter over population, I just hope the knowledge of what technology does is passed on and understood.
Overpopulation is caused by a lot of things not just technology, and the single most efficient remedy for it is to spread awareness about its negative impacts, and then pass laws to control it. In primitive circumstances there can be overpopulation and underpopulation, at the mercy of the Earth, which is not Mother Nature might I add, the universe is a lot bigger than this one tiny planet, and there is no reason to believe that we should follow the 'divine wisdom' of this one planet, as if it's intelligent. If we did that with other planets, for example, taking a trip to mars without a spacesuit and trusted in nature, we would die. There will come a time when Earth, too, becomes inhabitable for us, and we must hope our technology is advanced enough for us to adapt, and hopefully reverse the planets processes to make it habitable, or move somewhere else. Of course, our future generations wouldn't be able to do that if we didn't teach them the ever-so-important conceptual thinking.
. I know concepts are unimportant, simply because they keep me up at night, my mind races, but when I attend to my present it's easier to sleep. Also when I think I go into this bliss too. I try to eat well and exercise not to prolong life (Death does not exist) but to not fall ill. I also used to get anxiety sometimes in social situations, I found out being in the moment totally cured my anxiety. I don't believe in free will either. I think every time we try to control nature, we invite undesired effects... for instance if we tried to feed the poor we cause more famine. When we create order in society we create also rebels, crime and disorder. When we colonize we create wars, crimes, plagues, diseases, religions, and peoples thoughts become a trend. I think technology is a crutch on life, causes over population. All of modern society has been built upon concepts and dreams... and look at where we are now.
yes, exactly...