Emeira's Diary

[RRM]

Do you have more comparative data, from before?
Parents?

Which one is more important? Plaque in artery walls test or LDL/HDL test?

Definitely plaque in artery walls.

[Emeira]

my aunt has high holesterol, but she eats a lot of cooked food... my dad suffered from atherosclerosis and had myocardial infarction, but he has smoked all his life...

[RRM]

What are your mum's and dad's cholesterol levels?

[Emeira]

mum's cholesterol was 8, now 6
don't know my dad's cholesterol level, he died 2 years ago

[dime]

ok, so the results showed I have high (again) cholesterol:

before two months:
2012-09-21 5,2 mmol/l

Today:
2012-12-03 7,05 mmol/l

Should I be concerned?

Mine was ~10mmol, yours seems around normal to me.

[Emeira]

dime, did you decrease egg yolks after such cholesterol results? What was yours HDL/LDL ratio?
I am afraid, that high level of cholesterol will has negative effect for my health in the future.

[overkees]

You should only be afraid if your arterial plaque buildup is too high, then the cholesterol might stick to it and create difficulties. But since you're on such a healthy diet the chance of arterial plaque buildup is minimal (due to the absence of oxidized cholesterol for instance) and therefore high cholesterol is harmless. Therefore if you can have it checked (arterial plaque buildup) this case can be solved for dime and for you.

[dime]

For me the ratio was in the safe limits (total to HDL around 4 I think). Above 5 it's supposedly bad. What are your trygliceride levels, these are also relevant?

I'm eating less yolks now, around 4-5, but I'm eating much more olive oil and walnuts, and less animal fat, as well as 100% raw. I'll test in 1-2 months again.

[RRM]

I am afraid, that high level of cholesterol will has negative effect for my health in the future.

Its quite common to have cholesterol levels within the normal range, and yet develop atheroma formation in the walls of arteries.
Atheroma is related witrh elevated levels of oxidized cholesterol.
And as many oxidized cholesterols do not have a negative feedback with (healthy) cholesterol synthesis and reabsorption,
oxidized cholesterol is associated with elevated total cholesterol.

So, the association between total cholesterol and atheroma is not causal, and not even direct, but indirect (via oxysterols).
If you dont consume heat-ttreated animal food, you will not ingest oxysterols,
and there is no health risk.
Cholesterol levels naturally vary greatly from person to person, and is highly genetic.
Low cholesterol levels are associated with depression and aggression.
http://www.waiworld.com/waidiet/nut-cholesterol.html

[Emeira]

Therefore if you can have it checked (arterial plaque buildup)

What's the point? Symptoms of clogged arteries usually do not appear until late middle age or old age.
but i will check LDL/HDL ratio

What are your trygliceride levels, these are also relevant?

I'll test in 2 weeks

less yolks now, around 4-5 ... and less animal fat, as well as 100% raw

You still think that too much of animal fat, even raw, can be harmful?
According to RMM:

If you dont consume heat-ttreated animal food, you will not ingest oxysterols,
and there is no health risk.

Theoretically everything is very clear, but... but anyway, well... I don't know...i feel some kind of fear and anxiety.

So there is nothing to worry about, right? I can safely eat 5-7 raw egg yolks/day ( not organic) , raw animal fat, beef, pork, fish (not organic) even if my total cholesterol level will be at the same level (7...mmol/l) or even higher?

[RRM]

What's the point? Symptoms of clogged arteries usually do not appear until late middle age or old age.
but i will check LDL/HDL ratio

There is no point.
The only thing that matters is the precipation of (oxidized) cholesterol.

Theoretically everything is very clear, but... but anyway, well... I don't know...i feel some kind of fear and anxiety.

Of course, thats normal.

So there is nothing to worry about, right?

NOTHING
If i had the slightest doubts, i wouldnt feed my 1 yr old daughter 3 egg yolks daily.
(which would translate into 15 yolks daily for someone your weight)

I can safely eat 5-7 raw egg yolks/day (not organic) , raw animal fat, beef, pork, fish (not organic) even if my total cholesterol level will be at the same level (7...mmol/l) or even higher?

Yes, as long as it is all raw, the animal food.
But no, you cannot eat raw pork (no pork at all).

[RRM]

So, the association between total cholesterol and atheroma is not causal, and not even direct, but indirect (via oxysterols).

Because the relationship between cholesterol levels and atheroma is 'inconclusive',
scientists are constantly looking for 'more accurate' indices.(such as low-density lipoprotein particle concentration (LDL-P) and high-sensitivity C-reactive protein [hs-CRP])

[Emeira]

NOTHING
If i had the slightest doubts, i wouldnt feed my 1 yr old daughter 3 egg yolks daily.
(which would translate into 15 yolks daily for someone your weight)

Feeling much calmer now, thank you

But no, you cannot eat raw pork (no pork at all).

Salted raw pork fat is very popular and quite expensive food in my country, of course before going into the market, pork or any other meat must be checked by qualified veterinary doctors or quality controllers.

[Emeira]

Salted fat, salo or how we call it "lašiniai"
more information:
http://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/salo/

[RRM]

Raw pork is not safe because of Trichinella, and if it is advocated as safe (because treated in any way), it may contain oxycholesterol.
If you are concerned about high cholesterol, the first thing you must do, is stop eating 'raw' pork.