My experience is, even if I consume a lot of raw protein, if I also consume a lot of raw fat, it balances everything out and 'nourishes' my skin so it looks healty. I don't know the chemical difference between animal and vegetable fat, but for my body and skin the animal fat is much better than the vegetable fat, even though I dslike the taste and texture of if. But at the and like with all the raw food you basically find out one thing: it's a matter of psychology.Thats because the more fat, the less protein you will consume (otherwise you would be consuming extra calories).
And the acne prone skin does not like too much protein, even when its raw.
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Some plant foods contain (sometimes a lot) LNA, but animal food indeed contains specific omega 3 fats that plants dont. (EPA, DPA, DHA http://www.3.waisays.com/omega3.htm )csamo001 wrote:I don't know the chemical difference between animal and vegetable fat, but for my body and skin the animal fat is much better than the vegetable fat, even though I dslike the taste and texture of if.
In my experience, vegetarians indeed dont have a healthy looking skin.My experience is, even if I consume a lot of raw protein, if I also consume a lot of raw fat, it balances everything out and 'nourishes' my skin so it looks healty.
If you were as acne prone as i am, your skin wouldnt be able to cope with such a high protein intake. So, consider yourself lucky!
Have you observed others on the primal diet for a long period of time?
I know tons of people who dropped the diet after a while because it didn't work for them. My partner eats 6oz of raw grass fed beef with egg yolk every day , 4 oz of fish, 9 egg yolks and all the other Wai food. He needs it to maintain his weight. He's never had skin issues. He used to drink raw dairy. But feels better without it. Less mucus and better digestion. And he's been raw since 14 years, experimenting with different diets. He is one of the few people that are eating so close to the primal way and looks healthy. Most people I've known on the diet looked very unhealthy.
But vegetarian raw foodists look just as unhealthy to me. Especially in the long run. Guys might do better, including meat, to maintain their body. It is hell for them to be skinny and weak looking.
But I am amazed to see how different people are. There are alway amazing exceptions of the rule.
I would say that if you have beautiful skin, no gas and good digestion, are in a good mood, not edgy and your body is healthy and toned. Then you've found what works. Don't tell yourself that if you experience the opposite, it's a detox or sth.. Because that's a waist of time in my opinion!
Christina
I know tons of people who dropped the diet after a while because it didn't work for them. My partner eats 6oz of raw grass fed beef with egg yolk every day , 4 oz of fish, 9 egg yolks and all the other Wai food. He needs it to maintain his weight. He's never had skin issues. He used to drink raw dairy. But feels better without it. Less mucus and better digestion. And he's been raw since 14 years, experimenting with different diets. He is one of the few people that are eating so close to the primal way and looks healthy. Most people I've known on the diet looked very unhealthy.
But vegetarian raw foodists look just as unhealthy to me. Especially in the long run. Guys might do better, including meat, to maintain their body. It is hell for them to be skinny and weak looking.
But I am amazed to see how different people are. There are alway amazing exceptions of the rule.
I would say that if you have beautiful skin, no gas and good digestion, are in a good mood, not edgy and your body is healthy and toned. Then you've found what works. Don't tell yourself that if you experience the opposite, it's a detox or sth.. Because that's a waist of time in my opinion!
Christina
well overall a balanced diet is a solid approach to health and happiness and generally works for everyone
(lean meats, veggies,fruits, whole grains, a bit dairy) cooekd foods and raw foods.
this is the traditional european/american diet.
strict diets like the wai diet or raw diets, or primal diets, dont last for life.
(lean meats, veggies,fruits, whole grains, a bit dairy) cooekd foods and raw foods.
this is the traditional european/american diet.
strict diets like the wai diet or raw diets, or primal diets, dont last for life.
What exactly do you think the wai diet lacks? What makes it unbalanced?art wrote:well overall a balanced diet is a solid approach to health and happiness and generally works for everyone
(lean meats, veggies,fruits, whole grains, a bit dairy) cooekd foods and raw foods.
this is the traditional european/american diet.
strict diets like the wai diet or raw diets, or primal diets, dont last for life.
What are your sources for this? From what I see, this doesn't work good for people, but rather causes obesity, diabetes, and heart problems. If you can show my some solid sources, I'll consider that what I see isn't a complete view.
of course this diet is healthy and you can do well on it, but it destroyed my health the same as if i were eating junk, and i followed this diet strictly.
the wai diet lacks protein, Zinc, Magnesium, Calicme, fat soluble vitamins A,D,E
the wai diet recommends drinking fruit juice with added sugar, thats a recipe for a decline in health.
the causes of obesity/disease in america, is non organic foods, soy, and the #1 is exess carbs (SUGAR)
in 1900 the average sugar per person was around 6lbs its now 120lbs per person.
another reason i don't like the WAI diet, its bad for the environment (although better than a SAD diet)
when i was eating the wai diet 95% of my diet was coming from another country or hundreds a miles away.
my current diet is 95% local, fruit is not grown much 8 months of out the year.
so 4 months im eating high vegetable/fruit diet, now thats its getting cold im eating more eggs, meat, grains.
im eating how my ancestors ate.
that works best for me and i find its quite easy to maintain, i dont have to worry about getting a 2:1 ration (carbs/fat)
the wai diet lacks protein, Zinc, Magnesium, Calicme, fat soluble vitamins A,D,E
the wai diet recommends drinking fruit juice with added sugar, thats a recipe for a decline in health.
the causes of obesity/disease in america, is non organic foods, soy, and the #1 is exess carbs (SUGAR)
in 1900 the average sugar per person was around 6lbs its now 120lbs per person.
another reason i don't like the WAI diet, its bad for the environment (although better than a SAD diet)
when i was eating the wai diet 95% of my diet was coming from another country or hundreds a miles away.
my current diet is 95% local, fruit is not grown much 8 months of out the year.
so 4 months im eating high vegetable/fruit diet, now thats its getting cold im eating more eggs, meat, grains.
im eating how my ancestors ate.
that works best for me and i find its quite easy to maintain, i dont have to worry about getting a 2:1 ration (carbs/fat)
I'm sorry to say, but all your claims are just speculation.
No one has to worry about a 2:1 ratio anyway.
Strictly doesn't necessarily mean you did it right.art wrote:of course this diet is healthy and you can do well on it, but it destroyed my health the same as if i were eating junk, and i followed this diet strictly.
No, it does not.art wrote:the wai diet lacks protein, Zinc, Magnesium, Calicme, fat soluble vitamins A,D,E
No, it does not recommend it, it is a possibility. And why a decline in health?art wrote:the wai diet recommends drinking fruit juice with added sugar, thats a recipe for a decline in health.
The crucial word here is excess. And it's excess ENERGY, not just carbs. Energy can be carbs, protein, and/or fat. And this goes for obesity. For disease it's not even necessarily excess energy.art wrote:the causes of obesity/disease in america, is non organic foods, soy, and the #1 is exess carbs (SUGAR)
If you're on a SAD you're also eating how your ancestors ate...art wrote:im eating how my ancestors ate.
That it works good for you is great.art wrote:that works best for me and i find its quite easy to maintain, i dont have to worry about getting a 2:1 ration (carbs/fat)
No one has to worry about a 2:1 ratio anyway.
"Natural Nutrition"The way humans were eating in Africa before they were forced to leave the continent and alter their diet.""
wai
so basically wai is assuming that our great ancestors who lived in africa ate high amounts of fruit with some raw eggs yolks?
they ate leaves, flowers, buds, roots, small animals, insects.
later as we evolved, so they believe we switched to a diet quite high in meat and low plant. sometimes a 50/50 ration or more plants depending on where they lived.
but we have the same genetics as an animal that is suppose to be able to handle large amounts of meat, mostly likley cooked meat since we have been cooking it for over 225,000 years.
humans are designed to eat anything and thrive, we have similiar digestion as rats or dogs, they both can literally eat anything and do well.
yeah that maybe so, but one is fruit was lot different today than it was millions of years ago and 2 is we dont have the same make up as apes.
http://www.ecotao.com/holism/hu_habilis.htm
wai claims this is the optimal diet for health and nutrition... thats hog wash.
she claims cooking converts fats/proteins into toxins... again hog wash.
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-coo ... .shtml#top
wai
so basically wai is assuming that our great ancestors who lived in africa ate high amounts of fruit with some raw eggs yolks?
they ate leaves, flowers, buds, roots, small animals, insects.
later as we evolved, so they believe we switched to a diet quite high in meat and low plant. sometimes a 50/50 ration or more plants depending on where they lived.
but we have the same genetics as an animal that is suppose to be able to handle large amounts of meat, mostly likley cooked meat since we have been cooking it for over 225,000 years.
humans are designed to eat anything and thrive, we have similiar digestion as rats or dogs, they both can literally eat anything and do well.
yeah that maybe so, but one is fruit was lot different today than it was millions of years ago and 2 is we dont have the same make up as apes.
http://www.ecotao.com/holism/hu_habilis.htm
wai claims this is the optimal diet for health and nutrition... thats hog wash.
she claims cooking converts fats/proteins into toxins... again hog wash.
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-coo ... .shtml#top
Art,
Seems that we are probably best of agreeing to disagree. You make statements like "we have been cooking it for over 225,000 years. " as if they are fact when in reality they are speculative at best and disagreed upon by many.
It seems to me that no matter of discussion is going to convince you that this is a healthy way to eat and you are not going to convince people who are doing this diet with success that it is harmful or less than optimal.
Seems that we are probably best of agreeing to disagree. You make statements like "we have been cooking it for over 225,000 years. " as if they are fact when in reality they are speculative at best and disagreed upon by many.
It seems to me that no matter of discussion is going to convince you that this is a healthy way to eat and you are not going to convince people who are doing this diet with success that it is harmful or less than optimal.
Actually this text isn't from Wai. It comes from a page not open to the public and is used as a filler text.art wrote:"Natural Nutrition"The way humans were eating in Africa before they were forced to leave the continent and alter their diet.""
wai
Nope.art wrote:so basically wai is assuming that our great ancestors who lived in africa ate high amounts of fruit with some raw eggs yolks?
How do you know? Apparently you know more than scientific research has found, so I'm intrigued...art wrote:they ate leaves, flowers, buds, roots, small animals, insects.
Later as we evolved we ate according to SAD...art wrote:later as we evolved, so they believe we switched to a diet quite high in meat and low plant. sometimes a 50/50 ration or more plants depending on where they lived.
In your words: complete and utterly hogwash.art wrote:but we have the same genetics as an animal that is suppose to be able to handle large amounts of meat, mostly likley cooked meat since we have been cooking it for over 225,000 years.
Again, hogwash.art wrote:humans are designed to eat anything and thrive, we have similiar digestion as rats or dogs, they both can literally eat anything and do well.
1. how do you know?art wrote:yeah that maybe so, but one is fruit was lot different today than it was millions of years ago and 2 is we dont have the same make up as apes.
http://www.ecotao.com/holism/hu_habilis.htm
2. yes we don't, except for one or two species.
So far I haven't seen you quote ANY relevant scientific article.art wrote:she claims cooking converts fats/proteins into toxins... again hog wash.
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-coo ... .shtml#top
But I agree with John, just keep disagreeing and do what you think is best. It seems you're not here to reason or discuss, just to rant.
i just disagree with wai because the diet is claimined to be the optimal diet and cures acne. just eating less and cutting out sugar will alone eliminate acne in most if not all people.
what im saying is that if this a diet trully meant to be optimal and people would just naturally move towards these foods, which they dont.
eating 5lbs of fruit a day with a few eggs yolks is just plain stupid.
why do people have such a hard time maintaing this diet?
why do people do this diet for 2 months then quit?
why arent more people eating like this?
Oscar, how do you feel about eating 5lbs of fruit a day when its snowing?
thats the most unnatural thing you can to your body.
if you want to eat this way move to a tropical island, stopping wasting resources so you can eat all your exotic fruits some thousands of miles away.
what im saying is that if this a diet trully meant to be optimal and people would just naturally move towards these foods, which they dont.
eating 5lbs of fruit a day with a few eggs yolks is just plain stupid.
why do people have such a hard time maintaing this diet?
why do people do this diet for 2 months then quit?
why arent more people eating like this?
Oscar, how do you feel about eating 5lbs of fruit a day when its snowing?
thats the most unnatural thing you can to your body.
if you want to eat this way move to a tropical island, stopping wasting resources so you can eat all your exotic fruits some thousands of miles away.
Hi Art,
I deleted some of your posts because they were just rants; it doesnt make any sense to keep on posting one post after the other while nobody is answering you. Just wait till somebody does and then you can have a discussion. Otherwise you are just talking to yourself.
Ive tried to extract some real questions from your posts and put them in the post above.
I think i speak for many teenagers when i say "if only that was true..."
I think you know that "stupid" is not a strong argument.
And is it natural for a 'naked ape' to live in an area where there is snow?
I deleted some of your posts because they were just rants; it doesnt make any sense to keep on posting one post after the other while nobody is answering you. Just wait till somebody does and then you can have a discussion. Otherwise you are just talking to yourself.
Ive tried to extract some real questions from your posts and put them in the post above.
What makes you think that acne is so easy to cure?art wrote:i just disagree with wai because the diet is claimined to be the optimal diet and cures acne. just eating less and cutting out sugar will alone eliminate acne in most if not all people.
I think i speak for many teenagers when i say "if only that was true..."
Are you suggesting that junkfood is good for us because people "naturally move to these foods"?what im saying is that if this a diet trully meant to be optimal and people would just naturally move towards these foods, which they dont.
eating 5lbs of fruit a day with a few eggs yolks is just plain stupid.
I think you know that "stupid" is not a strong argument.
Why are people smoking cigarettes and drinking lots of alcohol?why do people have such a hard time maintaing this diet?
why do people do this diet for 2 months then quit?
why arent more people eating like this?
How does eating fruit in temperatures below the 'fruit-bearing temperature' adversely affect our body exactly?Oscar, how do you feel about eating 5lbs of fruit a day when its snowing?
thats the most unnatural thing you can to your body.
And is it natural for a 'naked ape' to live in an area where there is snow?
Are you saying that you only eat plants that are grown in your own country? And meat from animals that have been raised (and fed home grown plants) and killed in your own country?if you want to eat this way move to a tropical island, stopping wasting resources so you can eat all your exotic fruits some thousands of miles away.
yes 95% of my food is bought local.
i get fresh raw milk, eggs, meats, vegetables, fruits within walking distance of my house. its very convienent.
How comes ance is unknown in the tradtional world and tribes (aborgines, kombai, etc,) these people eat high plant foods, grains, meats. but one thing is all there food is organic, there diets are low in sugar.
acne doesnt not exist here.
the wai diet is seriously flawed about eating 4lbs of fruit and combing it with fat. this diet is 95% vegetarian. eating 2 eggs a day or 2z oz of fish does nothing, even primates eat more animal foods than that.
the whole fat combining with fruit is seriously flawed.
i posted a great post on why the whole high fruit diet is seriously flawed.
raw food health guru david wolfe even says to stay away from fruit.
Dr. Doug Graham claims its not fruit thats harmful but the combining of fruit with fat.
any person with common sense will you tell you to much fruit = harmful, too much of anything is harmful.
the diet is extreme yin, theres no yang except the animal products.
i beleive Dr. Doug Graham after 5 months of this diet my health was going down very fast.
and if people are on this diet more than 5 years, there not 100% and they cheat often.
i get fresh raw milk, eggs, meats, vegetables, fruits within walking distance of my house. its very convienent.
How comes ance is unknown in the tradtional world and tribes (aborgines, kombai, etc,) these people eat high plant foods, grains, meats. but one thing is all there food is organic, there diets are low in sugar.
acne doesnt not exist here.
the wai diet is seriously flawed about eating 4lbs of fruit and combing it with fat. this diet is 95% vegetarian. eating 2 eggs a day or 2z oz of fish does nothing, even primates eat more animal foods than that.
the whole fat combining with fruit is seriously flawed.
i posted a great post on why the whole high fruit diet is seriously flawed.
raw food health guru david wolfe even says to stay away from fruit.
Dr. Doug Graham claims its not fruit thats harmful but the combining of fruit with fat.
any person with common sense will you tell you to much fruit = harmful, too much of anything is harmful.
the diet is extreme yin, theres no yang except the animal products.
i beleive Dr. Doug Graham after 5 months of this diet my health was going down very fast.
and if people are on this diet more than 5 years, there not 100% and they cheat often.